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Liverpool Football Club - Klubbtråd

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kaiser
kaiserInnlegg: 7330
04.05.10 15:07
Amnon: Han har smelt en 16-åring på tjukka, kona har vært utro, ungene er ikke hans, han er på vei bort fra Liverpool fordi de ikke kan vinne PL før han legger opp, og helsa skranter. Glemte jeg at han kan ende opp i fengsel? Alt er usikkert med Gerrard!

Oh lord!

christiangu
christianguInnlegg: 1312
04.05.10 15:10
papadask: Om Benitez blir, betyr det at han får penger til å handle.

men har liverpool noe penger da? hvor skal han få pengene fra evt? jeg tror evt nye eiere og styret er mye mer interessert i å få en ny stadion på plass!

Spud
SpudInnlegg: 21101
04.05.10 15:22
Amnon: Han har smelt en 16-åring på tjukka, kona har vært utro, ungene er ikke hans, han er på vei bort fra Liverpool fordi de ikke kan vinne PL før han legger opp, og helsa skranter. Glemte jeg at han kan ende opp i fengsel?

Du glemte at han har fått diagnosen pedofil her inne. Kan vi virkelig ha en kaptein som er det?

Når det kommer til åpningsposten så har vel Rafa fått beskjed om at han har frist 4 mandager på rad nå fra Juve.. Vet ikke om jeg stoler heeeelt på det.

mcdermott
mcdermottInnlegg: 63580
04.05.10 16:51

--- Men hvilke signaler sender egentlig klubben ut nå om man sier "business as usual" til Rafa ift spørsmålet rundt transfermidler - dvs.betjening av gjeld står i fokus.Han går,og man skal så søke etter en manager som vet at han er nødt til å starte med å selge for å kanskje få lov til å bruke noe penger til nye spillere.Tror man så at de fleste managere er så desperate etter å prøve seg i Liverpool at man kaster seg på sjansen uansett ?

Kravspesifikasjonene er tross alt at man skal tilbake i CL asap OG kjempe om ligagull.

Om Rafa går så sier man jo da samtidig at klubben ikke har råd til å kjøpe nye spillere ?

 

evertona
evertonaInnlegg: 2056
04.05.10 23:04
Knaxern: Torres vurderer et klubbskifte, Man City er villige til å by rundt 70mill£. - benayoun sier at han kanskje drar. - Lucas mener at usikkerheten preger spillerne. - Balague sier at Mascherano drar om Rafa drar. - Usikkerhet rundt fremtiden til Gerrard.

dette ser bra ut syntes jeg:)

mcdermott
mcdermottInnlegg: 63580
05.05.10 00:01

--- En glimrende artikkel av Barrett og det kan rett og slett ikke oppsummeres på en bedre måte enn det han gjør her

 

http://timesonline.typepad.com/thegame/2010/05/tom-hicks-and-george-gillett-are-the-real-problem-at-liverpool.html

mcdermott
mcdermottInnlegg: 63580
05.05.10 00:09

--- Meget god artikkel av Boardman også

Liverpool Football Club have been involved in the Champions League for every one of Rafa’s six seasons so far. The money coming in from TV rights deals has gone up by a massive amount in recent years. The commercial side of the club has been improved dramatically, certainly in monetary terms. In 2009 Liverpool should have had money to spend on transfers over and above what came in from player sales.

From the beginning of February 2009 until the end of August 2009 players sales earned Liverpool somewhere in the region of £52.5m. In the same six months the club committed to paying out transfer fees of £36m.

So Liverpool made a profit of £16.5m on player trading in those six months of 2009. Since then they’ve continued to bring more in that they’ve laid out for transfers.

Yet Christian Purslow told The Times, last August, that the club had actually spent £20m: “We’ve spent pretty much the same as we’ve spent every year over the past four or five years. We’ve spent about £20 million more than we’ve generated, which is what we expected. We’ve bought players the manager wanted to buy and sold players the manager wanted to sell and it has cost us almost to the penny what we expected it to cost.”

How? How on earth did Purslow arrive at that figure? That figure represents a difference of £36.5m on what any supporter can see was spent.

Where did that £36.5m go?

Of course all of that could be checked in the club’s accounts. But they were due in on Friday and are now overdue. By the time they come out the manager will be gone, and not for the right reasons.

More evidence that something was amiss with the transfer funding for last year comes when looking back at what the manager said after signing Glen Johnson. He kept quiet about the fact the deal was part-funded by money Portsmouth still owed the club for the transfer of Peter Crouch and the loan of Jermaine Pennant. He was happy to just stick to the script put in front of him by the new temporary MD. But after being pressed on whether there would be any more signings he didn’t see a problem in saying that there might be, that he had funds in place.

Benítez said: “We have a plan. We can sign one more player if necessary, but that’s without any players leaving.”

At that point in time the club still hadn’t sold Xabi Alonso, Álvaro Arbeloa or Sebastian Leto; players who would eventually be sold for a total of £36.5m.

The club only bought two more players, £17m Alberto Aquilani and £2m Sotirios Kyrgiakos, at a total of £19m.

So that’s £14.5m left over, plus the money Rafa had already said was available for another signing. Except the £14.5m didn’t get handed over, and the extra funds Rafa had spoken about disappeared. So again, how on earth could the temporary MD make the claim that the club had spent £20m on players?

Before Purslow’s £20m claim, on August 18th, a message came out from a ‘source close to Rafa Benítez’.  The unnamed source said: “The figures have changed since Rafa signed his contract. He has sold several players and raised a lot of money, but is not being allowed to spend it.” This quote came after Rafa himself felt he couldn’t talk about the missing funds at a regular press conference, his only response being “I do not want to discuss money.”

Soon after this it became common knowledge amongst the press that whenever Rafa attended any kind of meeting with the press Purslow would be there to shadow him, it was as if Purslow was frightened that Rafa might not stick to the Purslow version of events, the Purslow version of how things were going behind the scenes.

It stuck out like a sore thumb to many of those who witnessed it.

In that interview with the times Purslow also showed ignorance about why the owners even got the chance to take over our club. The need for the stadium, the one that still isn’t started, was basically to provide transfer funds to allow the club to compete with its rivals. David Moores felt he had no way of bringing that new stadium to fruition, hence the search for investment. But Purslow tried –when making that doubtful £20m transfer spending claim – to make out that transfer spending wasn’t all that important anyway: “Spending isn’t the panacea everyone thinks it is, but we’ve spent £20 million and that’s real money.”

But despite that attempt to play down the importance of the transfer budget, Purslow has had to keep trying to explain it. In September he tried to, telling the Liverpool Echo: “We reinvest over half of our profits in transfer spending. We always have done and we will continue to do so.” Of course the accounts are late, so we don’t know what half the profit would have been last summer, but we also know that if the club made a profit on transfers it certainly didn’t invest any of its operating profit into transfers.

And this summer Rafa isn’t even asking them to do that. He wants the assurance that he can spend whatever comes in from sales. If the club can’t assure him of that, where does it leave the club? What kind of future does the club have if it can’t even use what it gets from sales?

If Rafa leaves, having failed to get that simple assurance from the chairman, the board, the owners or whoever it is that is running this club, we’ve got far more to worry about than many fans seem to think.

 

http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/201005043608/is-it-too-much-to-ask.html/

SalvatoreVitale
SalvatoreVitaleInnlegg: 10554
05.05.10 00:12

God og god, fru Blom. Den var lang i det minste.

Kasabian
KasabianInnlegg: 10163
05.05.10 00:15
mcdermott: http://timesonline.typepad.com/thegame/2010/05/tom-hicks-and-george-gillett-are-the-real-problem-at-liverpool.html

En virkelig god og nyansert artikkel.

"While the worst owners Liverpool could ever have wished for have been able to get on with their comfortable lives in the USA without fear of being challenged about their failings and, let’s tell it like it is, their ongoing destruction of one of the most famed institutions in world sport, Benitez has had to face the full glare of the media spotlight to discuss his own limitations and those of his team on almost a daily basis.

....

Let’s get one thing straight – this is not a defence of Benitez. As he himself has pointed out, the Liverpool manager has made some big mistakes over the last couple of years and even his greatest admirers would be hard pressed to defend signing the likes of Andrea Dossena, Philipp Degen, Robbie Keane and, judging by his injury-ravaged travails this season, Alberto Aquilani.

....

There is a blame culture in football whenever things go wrong but sometimes fingers can be pointed in, if not the wrong direction, then certainly one which allows those who are the biggest culprits to escape the full weight of criticism that they deserve.

Since Liverpool’s predictable defeat at the hands of Chelsea at the weekend, page after page of editorial comment has been devoted to the failings of Benitez. Some of it has been entirely fair and some of it has been preposterous – does anyone with a modicum of commom sense really believe that £1.5 million Sotirios Kyrgiakos was signed as anything other than a squad stop gap because of a chronic lack of funds or that the retention of Danny Murphy would have cured all of Liverpool’s ills – but whatever your opinion of Benitez you cannot have failed to notice a similar lack of critical column inches being devoted to Hicks and Gillett

....

It is a matter of administering blame where blame is due and Benitez has to take his fair share, anything else would be to create a farcical situation of managerial infallibility and a vacuum of responsibility.
But the overwhelming accountability for the horrendous mess that Liverpool find themselves in must lie with the buffoons who described themselves as “custodians”. It is they who heaped the debt onto the club which means they cannot sensibly afford to sack the manager.

....

By all means criticise Benitez. By all means call for him to be replaced. Everyone has a right to such opinions, after all. But let’s not lose sight of the fact that at least his motives are genuine, he wants success for both himself and his team.

The ostensible motives of Hicks and Gillett are to bleed Liverpool dry before moving onto their next leveraged buyout and it is they who must carry the can for the sorry state of a football club which looks increasingly doomed with every passing day, a feeling that will only intensify tomorrow should Manchester City beat Tottenham and put themselves in line for a place at the top table of European football that used to be Liverpool's but one which they may not even be in a position to take up for years to come."

Er som om jeg skulle sagt det selv, hvis jeg hadde vært engelsk, intelligent og veltalende.

Kasabian
KasabianInnlegg: 10163
05.05.10 00:16
SalvatoreVitale: God og god, fru Blom. Den var lang i det minste.

Ingen bilder heller..

SalvatoreVitale
SalvatoreVitaleInnlegg: 10554
05.05.10 00:17
Kasabian: Ingen bilder heller..

Det var det som manglet ja. Akkurat.

Jeg synes også at artikkelen manget en "Hva vil dette ha å si for ekteskapet til Gerrard"-vinkel.

Kasabian
KasabianInnlegg: 10163
05.05.10 00:20
SalvatoreVitale: Jeg synes også at artikkelen manget en "Hva vil dette ha å si for ekteskapet til Gerrard"-vinkel.

Ja, det er alltid en fin vinkling. Med bilder av Gerrard og kona som krangler hadde artikkelen vært komplett!

Zambino187
Zambino187Innlegg: 1326
05.05.10 07:41
mcdermott: Of course all of that could be checked in the club’s accounts. But they were due in on Friday and are now overdue. By the time they come out the manager will be gone, and not for the right reasons.

Med andre ord akkurat de samme antagelsene som gjort tidligere, men vi får tallene snart..

Lurer på om LFC kun gjør cash only/straight up på sine transfers ut? inn er det hvertfall en hel haug med utbetalingsakrobatikk, merk Aquillani og Johnson...

mcdermott
mcdermottInnlegg: 63580
05.05.10 15:36
Zambino187: Lurer på om LFC kun gjør cash only/straight up på sine transfers ut? inn er det hvertfall en hel haug med utbetalingsakrobatikk, merk Aquillani og Johnson...

--- vi gjør nok ikke det,da Pompey skyldte oss penger både for Crouch og lånet av Pennant samt Roma for Riise ( som gikk inn i Aquilani-salget)

mcdermott
mcdermottInnlegg: 63580
05.05.10 15:37
Kasabian: Er som om jeg skulle sagt det selv, hvis jeg hadde vært engelsk, intelligent og veltalende.

--- Barrett er strålende,og den eneste med tilknytning til Liverpool som er verdt å lese.

But Liverpool are anything but a normal club. They are one which is crippled by inordinate levels of debt (heaped on them by Hicks and Gillett), one which has been riddled by boardroom in-fighting (started by Hicks and Gillett), one which cannot compete at the top level in the transfer market (because of the failings of Hicks and Gillett) and one which is in a state of continuous and insidious limbo (because of Hicks’ and Gillett’s sale process and ridiculous asking price).

It is one where the solution to such limbo is seen to be the appointment of a Chelsea-supporting chairman (to break the boardroom deadlock caused by Hicks and Gillett), where Benitez is handed a five year contract complete with a £16 million payout which means the manager cannot be sacked when things go wrong (as agreed by Hicks and Gillett), where the oft-promised and desperately needed new stadium remains a pipe dream (another failing by Hicks and Gillett) and where the future is becoming increasingly bleak and uncertain (thanks to Hicks and Gillett).

En stor takk sendes til David Moores for det han har gjort

mcdermott
mcdermottInnlegg: 63580
05.05.10 15:57

--- Nei, han tror Rafa forlater om ting ikke bedrer seg.

it is looking increasingly likely, unless there is a sudden and unexpected improvement in relations between Benítez and his employers, that the Barclays Premier League match away to Hull City on Sunday will be the last of his six-year tenure.

Du skulle hatt jobb i VG,Knaxern - med ditt øye for tabloide innfallsvinkler og overskrifter ;-)

Zambino187
Zambino187Innlegg: 1326
05.05.10 16:30
mcdermott: --- vi gjør nok ikke det,da Pompey skyldte oss penger både for Crouch og lånet av Pennant samt Roma for Riise ( som gikk inn i Aquilani-salget)

Der var er mer eller mindre retorisk spørsmål, skal bli spennende å se regnskapet hvor den fulle sum av eks. transfers av Alonso og Arbeloa står som income innen utløp av transfervinduet....

Det selvfølgelig avhengig av hvor spesifiserte tallene som blir presentert er...

modo
modoInnlegg: 3798
05.05.10 16:32
mcdermott: En stor takk sendes til David Moores for det han har gjort

Sjelden kost

Zambino187
Zambino187Innlegg: 1326
05.05.10 16:34
mcdermott: But Liverpool are anything but a normal club. They are one which is crippled by inordinate levels of debt (heaped on them by Hicks and Gillett), one which has been riddled by boardroom in-fighting (started by Hicks and Gillett), one which cannot compete at the top level in the transfer market (because of the failings of Hicks and Gillett) and one which is in a state of continuous and insidious limbo (because of Hicks’ and Gillett’s sale process and ridiculous asking price). It is one where the solution to such limbo is seen to be the appointment of a Chelsea-supporting chairman (to break the boardroom deadlock caused by Hicks and Gillett), where Benitez is handed a five year contract complete with a £16 million payout which means the manager cannot be sacked when things go wrong (as agreed by Hicks and Gillett), where the oft-promised and desperately needed new stadium remains a pipe dream (another failing by Hicks and Gillett) and where the future is becoming increasingly bleak and uncertain (thanks to Hicks and Gillett).

Nå skal det bli digg å skrive august igjen... Makan til pissekonkurranse mediene driver med om dagen, er uutholdelig..

Hvor ligger medienesmarked? Hos supporterne. Hva selger? Krise. Hva blir vi presentert? En endeløs rekke av sensasjonsnyheter og krisemaksimering..

mcdermott
mcdermottInnlegg: 63580
05.05.10 16:42
Zambino187: Nå skal det bli digg å skrive august igjen... Makan til pissekonkurranse mediene driver med om dagen, er uutholdelig.. Hvor ligger medienesmarked? Hos supporterne. Hva selger? Krise. Hva blir vi presentert? En endeløs rekke av sensasjonsnyheter og krisemaksimering..

--- Stemmer det,men det gjør uansett ikke det Barrett her nevner noe mindre skremmende

Zambino187
Zambino187Innlegg: 1326
05.05.10 16:55
mcdermott: --- Stemmer det,men det gjør uansett ikke det Barrett her nevner noe mindre skremmende

Du dra i det minste den riktige konklusjonen ut av det hele, desverre hadde ikke David samme øye for finans som hans onkel, ref. Littlewoods.

Salget av LFC er en lekse i åpen konkurranse, og hvor den høyeste prisen ikke nødvendivis ikke er riktig.

Det eksisterer dog ingen unnskyldning for Rafa i dette..

mcdermott
mcdermottInnlegg: 63580
05.05.10 17:09
Zambino187: Det eksisterer dog ingen unnskyldning for Rafa i dette..

--- Neida, Rafa har sin del av skylden for den posisjonen vi er i - så er spørsmålet:hadde han gjort det like dårlig under f eks DIC som eiere ? Det får vi jo aldri vite....

Uansett så oppsummerer dette det meste for meg pr idag:

fra TLW

For me its all about keeping focus on the owners and not taking it out on everyone simply because the owners are untouchable.

Its part of a bigger plan, its about keeping ownership, buying more time, creating another honeymoon period, a stalling tactic, in the owners game of hanging on to us as long as they can. Its all another smokescreen to pacify the fans.

By unveiling Kenny (and Im by no means against Kenny, if Rafa should leave, i just think its something we wouldnt be doing if we had the proper and fit custodians we want) we would be following the path trodden by the stars, Rangers and Canadiens, in getting ex star players in to run the show. It buys them time, with Kenny in charge the honeymoon period starts again, it goes off into next season, they can sell Gerrard and torres and blame it on Rafa and give Kenny some money to spend, all lowering the fans expectations to 'stability' never mind we were 2nd last year. The desire for titles and CL wins goes out the window, and everyone is happy again (for a while at least) but at Christmas time what happens ?

The refinance and of the refinance goes through again, almost unnotticed as the fans attentiosnare on 'King' Kenny.

Then after a couple of seasons, the calls will start and we'll go through all this again until we get Carra as manager and so it will start again.

Thats why, for me, we need to bin the Rafa conversation, as Tony says, Rafa is here to be succesfull, for us and himself, he wants us to win, C&A dont care about that.

Zambino187
Zambino187Innlegg: 1326
05.05.10 18:36
mcdermott: For me its all about keeping focus on the owners and not taking it out on everyone simply because the owners are untouchable.

Jeg tar det ut på Rafa av den ene grunn at fotballen han presterer og står for er ræva. At eierne skal fungere som et alibi for det, har jeg null forståelse for. Eierne har prestert langt bedre finansielt ut i fra forutsetningene, enn det Rafa har gjort sportslig.

Hvis Rafa er å finne på Anfield august 2010, da tror jeg virkelig at spaden er satt i jorda og vi nærmer oss de berømte 6 fot med stormskritt.

 

milanB
milanBInnlegg: 32279
05.05.10 18:37
mcdermott: --- Nei, han tror Rafa forlater om ting ikke bedrer seg.

Rafa blir hvis han får en haug med pund til å kjøpe spillere altså... Grøss!

Abernaber
AbernaberInnlegg: 11580
05.05.10 18:38

Silly season kommer til å ta helt av her inne nå.

Noen som kan lage en oversikt over hvem som linkes ut og inn gjennom sommeren?

JFagan
JFaganInnlegg: 770
05.05.10 18:55

Siste agurknytt:

Ut Liverpool:  Tom Hicks, George Gillett, Broughton, Rafael Benitez, Sammy Lee, Lucas Leiva, Albert Riera, Fabio Aurelio, David Ngog, Ryan Babel, Nabil El Zhar og Dirk Kuyt.

Inn Liverpool: DIC, Jose Mourinho, Eto'o, Marek Hamsik , Mario Gomez+++

minuspol
minuspolInnlegg: 35020
05.05.10 19:15
mcdermott: Uansett så oppsummerer dette det meste for meg pr idag:

Det som er litt spesielt med all svartmalingen er jo det at man tydeligvis tror at G&H er plassert i klubben for og ødelegge den.

Altså, de taper penger om vi går under. De taper penger så fort vi selges for gjeld + £100 mill (mener det er omtrent der innsatsen deres sies å ligge).

Dette fanger hverken Barrett eller YNWA-innlegget opp. 

mcdermott
mcdermottInnlegg: 63580
05.05.10 19:24
milanB: Rafa blir hvis han får en haug med pund til å kjøpe spillere altså... Grøss!

--- Nei, han blir etter sigende om han for lov til å bruke de pengene han eventuelt skulle få inn ved spillersalg.Synes du det er å forlange for mye ? Det vil vel være det samme en ny manager også vil ønske ?

mcdermott
mcdermottInnlegg: 63580
05.05.10 19:27
minuspol: Det som er litt spesielt med all svartmalingen er jo det at man tydeligvis tror at G&H er plassert i klubben for og ødelegge den.

--- Det spørs jo helt om hvordan fanden velger å lese Bibelen.Jeg tolker det som om at G & H hadde intensjoner i fleng når de startet men ikke klarte å følge de opp. Men stakkars eiere, de kunne jo ikke vite at finanskrisen skulle ødelegge alle de gode planene.....

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