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Hansjensen555

Ruby hinter om LBJ bak JFK-drapet ?

Jada, jeg vet at denne blir flyttet til UFO-FORUMET, jada jada. Men en liten stud vil den jo ligge der den hører hjemme, her. Ikke på HISTORIE, ikke på UFO, men her for det berører Internasjonal politikk også idag idet USA's president etter dette ikke våget å være helt og fullt president , men særinteressene og Big Military's lakei om man vil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv3o9vx3VNM

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He says : Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occurred, my motives. The people had , that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world.

Reporter : Are these people in very high positions Jack ??

Jack : Yes.

Other quotes of Jack Ruby that are on film: "Gentlemen, I want to tell the truth, but I cannot tell it here. If you want a fair shake out of me, you have to take me to Washington"

"When I mentioned about Adlai Stevenson, if he was vice president there would never have been an assassination of our beloved President Kennedy " Asked if he would explain it again Ruby continued "Well the answer is the man in office now" - that man was Lyndon Johnson.

Sa mannen som skjøt mannen som var arrestert for drapet på Kennedy.

Tror du mediene vil nevne denne sekvensen i jubileet 22.11.2013 ?

Tror du NRK vil bruke tid på denne sekvensen eller tror du de vil repetere den offisielle versjonen, at Oswald bare mislikte JFK, at han med et manuellt ladegevær fikk fulltreffere bakfra og at en kule laget 7-8 skader på JFK og Connnoly, snudde midtveis i luften hvorpå kulen ble funnet uten riper og skader på sykehuset senere

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Jada, jeg vet at denne blir flyttet til UFO-FORUMET

Det burde det jo ikke. Filmen er utvilsomt av interesse. Filmen som viser Kennedy i det han blir skutt viser jo også helt tydelig at han blir skutt forfra og kastet bakover, selv om Oswald vitterlig skjøt bakfra. Så denne saken er på ingen måte løst.

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I jubileet 22-11-2013 vil det trolig være noen innslag på NRK og TV2 på 2-3 minutter der de sier noen tviler, men WR konkluderte jo med O.

PS de vil IKKE NEVNE DETTE SOM HSCA sa:

The Committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that president John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/docset/getList.do?docSetId=1009

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=800&relPageId=1

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tikk [sitat…] Det burde det jo ikke. Filmen er utvilsomt av interesse. Filmen som viser Kennedy i det han blir skutt viser jo også helt tydelig at han blir skutt forfra og kastet bakove...

Filmen som viser Kennedy i det han blir skutt viser jo også helt tydelig at han blir skutt forfra og kastet bakover, selv om Oswald vitterlig skjøt bakfra. Så denne saken er på ingen måte løst.

Så du er ekspert på ballistisk også nå?

Les litt her, og forklar hvorfor du skulle ha rett.

Litt herfra - That material going in that direction would have a tendency as a result of this jet effect to push the head in the other direction. This was demonstrated by Louis Alvarez in California several years ago by shooting melons. When you could get a jet of honeydew melon going out the front, the melon would roll toward the gun, showing that there is some movement from this jet effect.

Now, most of the movement you see of the President moving backwards and his body moving sideward I believe is a neuromuscular reaction.

Men det er sikkert morsomt med spekulasjoner om dette som om 11. sept. for noen.

Denne tråden burde vært på historie eller ufo.

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tikk [sitat…] Lurer på hvorfor et drap med slike helt spesielle ingredienser som.f.eks. at morderen selv ble myrdet uten motiv, ikke skulle kunne vurderes nærmere, uten at man hylte opp...

Det er da alltid sånn. Her mer enn noen andre land spør du meg. Tendensen som bygger seg om at all samfunnskritikk eller krav om skepsis og nøyaktighet, objektivitet etc er "ville konspirasjoner" kan vel i seg selv regnes som en eneste stor konspirasjonsteori.

Og så tar jo bondetullingene feil hver gang, nå også om Obamas overvåkning som NSA nå må bortforklare etter å ikke kunne skjule det lenger/nekte som et lite barn tatt på fersken.

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Hansjensen555 Og 14-15 leger ved sykehuset i Dallas så et UTGANGSHULL bak i hodet. Foran var det et lite hull, Kilduff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V73-unR1Rq4

Samme folka som skjøt Reagan men ikke greide å drepe ham. Kommunister, konservative internasjonalister, kall dem hva dere vil.

Se presidentene som kan holde egne sceneshow og gå rundt og tulle og aldri bli beskutt i et land der resten av folket skyter på hverandre hele tiden, så ser man hvilke ledere som gærningene liker og derfor ikke trenger å skyte på. Obama, Bush-gjengen, Clinton.

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Trolig ble det avfyrt 8-9 skudd fra 3 steder, hvorav 4-5 med LYDDEMPERE. Det ble funnet kulehull:

I gresset, også kulen funnet

I bilvinduet

I Kennedys RYGG, ikke nakke

I Kennedys halsgrop

Spor i asfalt, totalbom

Legg så til 2 sår i Conolly og minst 1 for Kennedys hode og du er allerede oppe i 8 og selv om man trekker fra det i vinduet er man oppe i 7, noe som betyr at minst 2, kanskje 3 skyttere måtte til for å få til det på 6 sekunder

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ThePokerKing Det var dette med kilder da......

Tja, 9 skudd er ikke utenkelig :

http://theshotsindealeyplaza.com/?page\_id=12

After nearly half a century emotions still run high in Kennedy assassination research. Emotions notwithstanding, a scenario of the shots in Dealey Plaza has to address the following twenty-two items.

1 – Witnesses reported that the first shot hit the pavement.

2 – The Breneman & West survey noted a bullet mark on the south curb of Elm Street across from the north pergola.

3 – The City of Dallas cut out the section of curb with the bullet mark shortly after the Breneman & West survey was completed.

4 – President Kennedy had a wound in his neck.

5 – President Kennedy had a wound in his back.

6 – A bullet hit the south curb of Main Street near the Triple Underpass and wounded James Tague on the right cheek.

7 – Surveyor Chester Breneman reported hearing about a stress mark on the Stemmons Freeway sign that was caused by a bullet.

8 – The City of Dallas removed the Stemmons Freeway sign shortly after the assassination.

9 – Governor Connally had a through and through bullet wound from his right armpit to his right nipple.

10 – Governor Connally had a shattered right wrist.

11 – Governor Connally had a bullet embedded in his left thigh.

12 – Nellie Connally stated that her husband never let go of the hat in his right hand.

13 – The Presidential limousine had an indentation in the chrome frame of the windshield to the left of the right visor.

14 – The Presidential limousine had a defect in the windshield just below the indentation in the frame.

15 – The back of the rear view mirror of the limousine had a dent just below the defect in the windshield.

16 – President Kennedy had a massive gunshot wound to the head. Blood, bone and brain tissue exploded in all directions.

17 – On the Zapruder film, Kennedy’s head moves forward just before the shot to his head.

18 – Kennedy’s body fell back and to the left after the gunshot wound to his head.

19 – Witnesses reported a gunshot after the shot to Kennedy’s head.

20 – There was a furrow in the grass near the manhole on the south curb of Elm Street just west of the north pergola.

21 – A man was observed and photographed picking up something in the grass and putting it in his pocket. Whatever the man picked up was never seen again.

22 – There was a groove in the sidewalk on the north side of Elm Street that lines up with the west window of the Texas School Book Depository.

These twenty-two items were arranged to correspond to my scenario of eight shots.

Shot #1

1 – Witnesses reported that the first shot hit the pavement.

2 – The Breneman & West survey noted a bullet mark on the south curb of Elm Street across from the north pergola.

3 – The City of Dallas cut out the section of curb with the bullet mark shortly after the Breneman & West survey was completed.

Issues

Witnesses are famous for inventing information. Some witnesses reported a shot to the pavement behind the limousine and some reported a shot to the pavement in front, between the limousine and the lead car. A shot to the pavement behind the limousine is addressed in the narrative on shot #2. I located a mark on the curb in the Altgens 6 photograph, but there is no proof that the mark is a bullet mark, or if it is the mark noted by Breneman & West. The City of Dallas may have destroyed incriminating evidence that wasn’t really incriminating. However this and the eighth shot are necessary to complete the picture of the assassination.

Shot #2

4 – President Kennedy had a wound in his neck.

5 – President Kennedy had a wound in his back.

Issues

The wounds are established facts. However, some researchers believe these are both entry wounds. Other researchers believe in a back to throat trajectory or a throat to back trajectory. I believe in a throat to back trajectory.

Shot #3

6 – A bullet hit the south curb of Main Street near the Triple Underpass and wounded James Tague on the right cheek.

Issues

These are established facts. The Tague shot was an unwelcome surprise when it came to light.

Shot #4

7 – Surveyor Chester Breneman reported hearing about a stress mark on the Stemmons Freeway sign that was caused by a bullet.

8 – The City of Dallas removed the Stemmons Freeway sign shortly after the assassination.

Issues

Before I found evidence in the Zapruder film, this was all we had to go on. There are no witnesses who claim to have seen a mark on the sign. However, it is clear that the City of Dallas removed incriminating evidence that was genuinely incriminating.

Shot #5

9 – Governor Connally had a through and through bullet wound from his right armpit to his right nipple.

10 – Governor Connally had a shattered right wrist

11 – Governor Connally had a bullet embedded in his left thigh.

12 – Nellie Connally stated that her husband never let go of the hat in his right hand.

Issues

Some researchers believe that two separate bullets hit Governor Connally because he could not have held on to his hat after his wrist was shattered. One researcher believes the bullet fragmented after it hit Connally’s rib, and exited his chest in two pieces. I believe only one bullet is indicated by items 9-12.

Shot #6

13 – The Presidential limousine had an indentation in the chrome frame of the windshield to the left of the right visor.

14 – The Presidential limousine had a defect in the windshield just below the indentation in the frame.

15 – The back of the rear view mirror of the limousine had a dent just below the defect in the windshield.

Issues

Some researchers are convinced that there was a hole in the windshield, which means that two bullets are required for the damage to the limousine. I believe only one shot is indicated by items 13-15.

Shot #7

16 – President Kennedy had a massive gunshot wound to the head. Blood, bone and brain tissue exploded in all directions.

17 – On the Zapruder film, Kennedy’s head moves forward just before the shot to his head.

18 – Kennedy’s body fell back and to the left after the gunshot wound to his head.

Issues

Some researchers believe Kennedy was hit from the front and the rear. I believe only one shot is indicated by items 16-18.

Shot #8

19 – Witnesses reported a gunshot after the shot to Kennedy’s head.

20 – There was a furrow in the grass near the manhole on the south curb of Elm Street just west of the north pergola.

21 – A man was observed and photographed picking up something in the grass and putting it in his pocket. Whatever the man picked up was never seen again.

Issues

Witnesses are famous for inventing facts. The furrow could have nothing to do with the assassination. The man was tentatively identified but he denied being there or picking up anything. Nevertheless I believe the eighth shot is necessary to complete the picture of the assassination.

Extraneous Mark

22 – There was a groove in the sidewalk on the north side of Elm Street that lines up with the west window of the Texas School Book Depository.

I do not believe this item indicates a gunshot, which I will explain in the narrative.

SHOOTER LOCATIONS

There are five locations that correspond to the eight shots in this scenario.

1 – The east window of the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository (the Oswald window) – TSBDE (shots #1 & #8)

2 – The west window of the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository – TSBDW (shot #5)

3 – The second floor of the Dal-Tex Building – DTB (Shots #3 & #6).

4 – Behind the fence on the grassy knoll – GKF (Shots #2 & #4)

5 – On the railroad overpass above Commerce Street – RROP (Shot #7)

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Fantasi Hva er galt med youtube ? Er da bare ett verktøy

Problemet mer youtube i denne samanhengen er at informasjon som kan lesast på eit minutt fort blir ein halvtimes video med suggererande musikk og eit utvalg retoriske teknikkar for å overbevisa searen om at temmelig fjerne (of svakt dokumenterte) påstander er revolusjonerande ny kunnekap.

Dersom ein ikkje vil presentera argumentasjon og informasjon skriftlig (som er raskare både å produsera og å lesa), så må ein ha meg unnskyldt fpr å mistenka at det kan vera fordi den som har laga videoen eigentleg er klar over at argumentasjonen ikkje er så veldig sterk?

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